Thursday, December 18, 2008
Sometimes, I get REALLY FRUSTRATED at church. And, i wonder why I go.
I think, "Gee, I have A LOT of questions about a lot of what's going on here."
But, if I ask them, will I get labeled and dismissed, or will my questions just get shrugged off?
Sometimes I think I'm just a trouble maker.
Last Sunday, I asked a pal "why do you go to church?"
It felt like raining on the parade... like, gee, duh, we all go to church... what's the problem?
I hate that vibe. I don't wanna be a downer and Take. Things. SO. Seriously. Butttt, I just have to bring it up. ..to process.
I told her that, "well, i guess I just question EVERYthing."
Then, I ran across this snippet on Speaking of Faith.
I'm at #2, and hoping to work my way into #3.
So, read that if you like.
And, if you go to church, maybe you could tell me WHY.
And, if you DON'T go to church, tell me about that.... and maybe your thoughts on church...
Ms. Tippett: You often mention a Dutch philosopher.
Mr. Marty: Oh, yes.
Ms. Tippett: How do you say his name?
Mr. Marty: Eugen Rosenstock-Huessy, who was a Swiss-German Jew and Christian. He's one of those geniuses that you can quote 20 pages of and then the 21st page is so nutty you're not sure you can use it. But I'll give a quick illustration of what I get from him. For example, he says — and this is extremely important in my life. He says you can write the history of learning in the western world in three Latin phrases.
The first is, in Latin, Credo ut intelligum — "I believe in order that I may understand." It's the birth of the universities in Europe, Bologna, Paris, Oxford. You believe to apprehend the universe; truth is divinely revealed and can be appropriated. And that's the charter that believers should never be afraid of learning.
Secondly, modern learning, without which we couldn't do, is Descartes. René Descartes. Cogito ergo sum — "I think, therefore I am." Modern university is born on skepticism and doubt and inquiry and criticism, and you want that. I don't want a med school in which they're just taking things on faith. I want them to be extremely critical. But he said, 'That, too, gets sterile.' And so he says, in the 20th century, that we also have to learn that truth has a social character. I'm learning from this conversation with you. We learn from conversing with someone else, we learn from the meaning of "I" and "thou."
And his third motto was Respondeo etsi mutabor — "I respond although I will be changed." I'm not changed when I argue with somebody because I know an answer and I got to defeat them. I'm always changed in a conversation because they're going to surprise me. It's kind of a game, it's kind of play. And I think that that's the kind of learning we need more in the churches, in theology, in politics, and in personal life.
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